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Planning Commission
Minutes
Regular Meeting
March 11, 2008
1.
Call to Order
Chair Rotty called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
Members Present: Stokes, Rotty, Barker, Bonar, Larson
Members Absent: None
Also Present: Tony Wippler - Assistant City Planner, Lee Smick - City Planner
2. Approval of Minutes
a) February 12,2008
b) February 26, 2008
MOTION by Larson, second by Stokes to approve the minutes. APIF, MOTION
CARRIED.
3. Public Hearings
None
4.
Discussion
a) Findings of Fact - Denial of Conditional Use Permit to allow a
manufacturing use at 109 Spruce Street.
The commission denied the conditional use at their last meeting. There were
no questions from the Commission regarding the Findings of Fact.
MOTION by Barker, second by Stokes to approve the Findings of Fact.
APIF, MOTION CARRIED.
b) 2030 Comprehensive Plan - 2008 Update
Work Plan
Staff is working on a work plan for the 2030 Comprehensive Plan. There will
be a workshop on March 25th at 5:00 p.m. to begin prioritizing the strategies
and policies. The policies are available on the website. They were derived
from the public visioning sessions that were held in early 2007. City Staff
will work on preparing the work plan and several departments may be
involved in the actual implementation. The Commissioners were asked to
begin reviewing the examples of work plans that were provided to prepare for
the meeting. Commissioner Barker stated that he will not be able to attend the
meeting on the 25th.
5.
Adjourn
MOTION by Barker, second by Stokes to adjourn. APIF, MOTION
CARRIED.
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Planning Commission Minutes
March 11, 2007
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Respectfully submitted,
Approved
Lisa Dargis
Administrative Assistant
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March 24, 2008
Dear Mr. Rotty,
The response to my questions and request for information at the February 26, 2008 Public Hearing by Mr.
Herlofsky is unacceptable. Also when did Mr. Her10fsky become the spokesman for the Planning
Commission? Why did he copy the City Council but not the Planning Commission members? Wasn't
this a Planning Commission Public Hearing? Why are the Planning Commissioners avoiding their
responsibilities?
If you review the meeting tape you will note that my version of the City Attorney's comments concerning
zoning officers rulings appeals are accurate. The statement in Mr. Herlofsky's response are not accurate
and makes me wonder if the City Attorney is attempting to chance his statement given at the meeting.
Furthermore, the law states that "the property owner or their agent" can request an appeal, we are neither
the owner nor agent so the City Attorney is not correct in his statement to the commission, neither we nor
the general public are given an avenue in the appeal process.
I would like to know exactly how a property owner or the general public would know exactly when a
ruling has been made? What is that process? How does the zoning officer document and publicize the
rulings? How does the public appeal an "official ruling "?
Mr. Herlofsky also refers to Mr. Carroll as the zoning officer. In his role as the Community Development
Director he was never legally the City Planner and therefore could not legally act as the zoning officer.
As such, nothing he said or did as a City representative had any legal standing.
On the following pages you will see my original remarks, the City's response and my response to the
City. As you will note, few if any of my questions were answered. I want answers to my questions. The
documentation requested was also ignored. I want proof that what the City says is true. Please respond in
an accurate and responsible manner.
Does the ten day appeal process begin when the city answers all my questions???
Sincerely,
Larry Walsh
816 Second Street
Farmington, MN 55024
( Original Statement -
February 26,2008 Public Hearin
I am Larry Walsh and I live at 816
econd Street.
I would like to start with a few
questions about the building pennit
application. On the January 4, 2008
copy there is no pennit number, no
legal description, no list of
contractor(s), why? Ownership?
Estimated value intentionally blacked
out. Who, when, why, is this not
public information? We received
another copy the same application on
February 11, 2008 with "approved
plans", between January 4, 2008 and
February 11, 2008 someone made
numerous changes to the original
application. Who, when, why? Is it
common practice for signed original
documents to be doctored and or
altered without notations of the
revision? How often can an original,
legal docmnent be changed and still
remain legally binding?
n the second set of plans it shows
lans reviewed by Ken Lewis on
January 24, 2008 but does not show
any documentation of review or
approval by the planning department
or the zoning department, why? We
are requesting docmnentation that
these "approved" plans were in fact
"approved" by officials in both
building and planning departments as
Mr. Lewis stated would be required.
Twice I asked Ms. Smick, "Exactly
what is this a variance from" thinking
that she could reference a section of
code that would explain it. She either
could not or would not. She only said
that owner wanted to "expand the
envelope to install this access". Is a
variance to "expand the envelope" an
open ended variance? What exactly
does "expand the envelope" mean?
-On the variance application the word
"legal" and "2nd" are above and
utside the lines given, was this at the
direction of staff or was this docmnent
altered as well? If so, by whom and
City's Response -
March 12, 2008
As long as both parties agree, the
document may be changed.
As long as both parties agree.
It was approved previously by the
Planning Commission. Variance was
signed and sent to Dakota County for
recording.
Ms. Smick was referring to the three
dimensional space of the current
building and state law that now allows
non-conforming uses and other non-
conforming uses to be maintained,
improved and replaced but not
expanded unless approved by the City.
Response to City
March 24, 2008
I want answers to all of my questions
and proof that both sides agreed.
The Planning Commission did not
hold the public hearing or consider the
variance until February 26,2008.
How could they approve it on January
24, 2008 as Mr. Lewis said was
required or was Mr. Lewis
misrepresenting the steps needed in the
approval process?
What law, specifically. Is it City
Code, State Statue or both?
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why?
-Three plumbers on site beginning
February 4,2008. Plumbing permit
not applied for until February 8, 2008,
why didn't they have the permit before
starting?
-Before demo only did testing for
asbestos, not lead, mercury,
formaldehyde or other hazardous
material? Why?
-Did not sample or test insulation in
walls, why?
-Demolition started on December 12,
2007, never received a demolition
permit, why?
-City Administrator was doing on site
inspections February 7 and February
13, 2008? What was his legal capacity
and or authority to do such
inspections.
-Pursuant to City Code 10-3-6
Variances, we would request
documentation that the required items
#1 and #2 under subparagraph (A)
were in fact waived by the zoning
officer at the time the application was
received.
-Truck loads of other construction
debris is hauled in and disposed of in
the dumpster onsite. When and where
is this debris being tested for
hazardous materials.
Gave verbal approval to proceed until
owner of plumbing company had a
chance to come in to do so.
Tested for items required to be tested.
Up to testing agency to determine if
necessary .
Building was remodeled, not
demolished.
The City Administrator was reviewing
the property, well within his authority.
This information is not available.
It is generally checked at site of
dumping.
We are requesting Mr. Lewis's This information is not available.
calculations concerning light
infiltration done on apartment #2 prior
to windows and door replacement and
the same calculations done after these
changes. We also request the same
calculations done for apartment # 1.
In an email dated August 14,2003
from Mr. Kevin Carroll, acting as
zoning officer, stated that if City staff
members observed more than six cars
on the property the owner will
contacted regarding city code
screening requirements and bring this
property into compliance with said
code. In a September 14, 2003 email
Mr. Carroll states that on August 26,
2003 Mr. Lewis observed eight
vehicles parked on this property.
Since August 26, 2003 we would like
to know when and what city staff has
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What State law gives Mr. Lewis the
authority to issue verbal building
permits?
Required by whom?
Why was it determined to be
unnecessary?
Okay. Why didn't he have a
remodeling permit on December 12,
2007?
Documented where?
Why not? When will it be available.
Without this information the variance
application is illegal.
Why not? When will it be available?
Was Mr. Lewis misrepresenting the
facts to Mr. Pritzlaffwhen he told him
on February 13, 2008 that he did these
calculations?
Answer questions with documentation.
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( observed and documented in regards to
Mr. Carroll's statement.
pon receiving this notice I was rather
erplexed by what it was about. It
didn't make sense that the property
owner needed to get a variance to do
something that was legally required.
Why hasn't this code requirement
complied with at the time of
enactment? Is this the only code
requirement that is not being met?
After researching the code I am
surmising that he has asked the city to
allow him to violate City Code Section
10-4-2 (B) Item #1 which does not
allow for the expansion of a non-
conforming use. Is there absolutely no
where else to put this new access? If
you look at the drawing submitted
with the variance application does the
fire code require a deck with a roof?
No, only stairs. The property owner is
in fact trying to expand his structure
and build a covered balcony disguised
as a code required safety access and
ity staff is ignoring City codes and
. sleading this commission to help
him achieve this illegal non-
conforming use of this property.
It would also be completely
predictable that the occupants are
going to use this deck as an outdoor
room adding barbeque grill, lounge
chairs, etc. thus blocking a fire safety
exit rendering it useless. Is the fire
marshal going to be constantly out
there clearing this deck?
Laws change over time.
It is corrected at the time of applying
for permits.
Yes.
We disagree with your conclusion
That issue will be addressed if it
occurs.
Furthermore, this balcony is
overlooking the neighbors to the north
allowing someone to look down and
into their living room and bedrooms a
violation of their privacy and We disagree with your conclusion.
"injurious to other property" which is
contrary to what staff says, Point #4 of
the staff memo dated February 12,
2008. Point #6 of the same memo
staff states that this is the minimum
equired to eliminate the hardship for
e reasons just given, this statement is
also untrue. Also missing from this
application is what will be supporting
At the public hearing Ms. Smick stated
that there was a second access that has
existed all along. Why is it required to
move it? Why weren't the stairs
located at the existing access?
Answer the questions. Who is "we"?
When was Mr. Herlofsky appointed to
the Planning Commission.
Who is "we"? When was Mr.
Herlosky appointed to the Planning
commission?
Please explain why there is a need for
a roof.
Please explain why there is a need for
a 7'x 8' deck when the commission
stated that a 3'x 3' was ade uate.
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this expansion, there is nothing
holding up either the balcony or stairs.
If you continue to read that same
section 10-4-2 (B) you will note that
there are five items that a violation of
anyone would require the property to
be brought into compliance with the
updated city codes. For example, this
expansion, or any other expansion
without the variance would mean the
loss of legal non-conforming status to
this property. Furthermore the state
status says that a variance cannot be
given to an illegal non-conforming
use.
But if you look closely at this property
and code you will see that Item #2,
requires a zoning certification to
provide evidence of lawful existence
prior to the adoption of this code.
Does this owner have said certificate?
No. Is he asking for a variance from
this regulations, no. Is this legal? No.
Item #4 states that should a use in a
nonconforming structure cease for one
year for whatever reason that use may
not be resumed. Apartment #3 has not
been used for more than thirteen
months. Building Inspector Lewis
says that the owner intents to resume
renting this unit. Doe he have or is he
requesting a variance for this
regulation, no. Is this legal? No.
Apartment #2 will have been vacant
for twelve months in three days.
Again, Mr. Lewis says the owners
intent is to re-rent this unit. Does he
have a variance for this, no. Is this
legal? No.
Additionally under Item # 1, we have
contended at the February 19 Council
Meeting and still do that apartment # 1
which is supposed to be a one unit two
bedroom apartment has been
converted into two units with one
bedroom each.
This is an expansion of the use and a
violation of the regulation, City Code
10-4-2 (B) #1, is there a variance for
The city has not issued any zoning
certificates.
The item has been responded to
previously. We do not agree with your
conclusion.
This item has been responded to
previously. We do not agree with your
conclusions.
Explain what will hold up the deck and
stairs and why it is not on the
drawings.
Correct. This is a violation of City
Code, Chapter 10. Why is it not being
enforced?
Want to see the zoning officers ruling.
Who is "we". When was Mr.
Herlofsky appointed to the Planning
Commission.
Want to see the zoning officers ruling.
Who is "we". When was Mr.
Herlofsky appointed to the Planning
Commission.
This item has been responded to
previously. We do not agree with your Want to see the zoning officers ruling.
conclusions. Want to see the inspection report.
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this violation, no. Is this legal? No.
Is this four unit use consistent with the
certificate of occupancy? We think
t. Is this expansion included in the
envelope of expansion"?
Furthermore, under Code 10-4-2 (B)
also explained at the February 4 City
Council meeting these changes exceed
the 50% value. Additionally, the City
Administrator has publicly claimed
that someone at City Hall did an
assessment of these costs but then was
unable to provide it or the identify of
this individual, why?
Item #5 states that normal and
incidental maintenance is allowed but
it can not be a structural repair. If you
look at the plan submitted with his
permit application, what Mr. Lewis
refers to as the "approved plan" you'll
notice the elimination of a door on the
west side of the 2nd but no other
changes.
During the month of February, we can
ow 9 or 10 doors and window
penings reframed and altered for
example.
The 2nd floor east (front of the
building). Does the plan show that the
two existing windows will be moved
further apart and lowered, no. Have
they lowered and moved apart, yes.
Normal or incidental maintenance, no,
non-structural, no. Variance, no. Is
this legal? No.
New window added in the 2nd floor in
the front of the building. On the
proposed building plan, no. Does it
now exist, yes. Structural alteration,
yes. Normal or incidental repairs, no,
variance, no. Is this legal? No.
South side 2nd floor window at the top
of landing. The new window has been
lowered. Normal or incidental
maintenance, no. Structural
ltemation, yes. Variance, no. Is this
gal, no.
This item has been responded to
previously. We do not agree with your
conclusions.
There is no problem with the owner's
improvement ofthe property.
There is no problem with the owner's
improvement of the property.
There is no problem with the owner's
improvement ofthe property.
Essentially the 2nd floor perimeter load There is no problem with the owner's
Want to know if none, why the zoning
officer never inspected our complaint.
Want to see the zoning officers ruling.
Who is "we"? When was Mr.
Herlofsky appointed to the Planning
Commission.
Want to see zoning officers ruling.
Who is "we"? Three times we have
asked for this assessment. Mr.
Herlofsky needs to provide it or admit
to all parties that he made this up.
Want to see the zoning officers ruling.
Who is "we"? When was Mr.
Herlofsky appointed to the Planning
Commission.
Want to see the zoning officers ruling
on all these structural alterations.
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bearing walls have been reframed from improvement of the property.
the inside. Normal or incidental
maintenance, no. Structural alteration,
yes. Is this legal, no.
The "approved plan" also does not
show any changes to the back 1/3 of
the building but in fact it has had doors
and windows changed, new siding
added and framing alterations, why is
he allowed to work without building
pennits? Are these changes non-
structural alternations, no, legal no.
Are all of these changes a part of the
envelope expansion that Ms. Smick is
referring to?
A single violation of any ofthese five
items is justification and a requirement
for the city to rescind the legal
nonconfonning use of this property.
We have listed violations of all five
items including 9~ 10 individual
violations of Item #5 alone. It is well
past time for the City to stop extending
special consideration to this property
owner and bring the entire property
into full compliance with all the city's
laws and codes.
As referenced in the February 26,2008
planning commission memo from Lee
Smick, Neither Exhibit B or C show
any evidence that this use was in fact
legal, nor is the Fire Marshal the
zoning officer. Exhibit C references to
an inspection done August 19,2003,
six months after the requirement of
zoning certification. Without which
the Fire Marshall should have stopped
the illegal use of one apartment, why
didn't he?
The only thing these letters show is
further documentation that everyone in
City Hall is acting as the zoning
officer except the person who is
legally designated, the City Planner.
Also pertaining to the February 12,
2008 memo to the planning
commission from Ms. Smick on the
last page, under staff recommendation
it says that with the addition of the five
There is no problem with the owner's
improvement of the property.
No.
There is no problem with the owner's
improvement of the property.
Where are his building permits?
Answer the question.
I want an answer to the question.
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items listed the property would be
code complaint. This is not true, there
are in fact any number of items that
ould still be needed to make this
roperty code complaint. Why
weren't these five parking and
driveway issues addressed five years
ago as per Mr. Carroll's August 14,
2003 email? And when is the city
going to explain how a section of
asphalt got into the middle of a
driveway that was never paved?
Why are our complaints about this
property not addressed by the zoning
officer? Why does she always hide
behind the City Administrator, City
Attorney, Community Development
Director, Assistant City Planner,
Acting City Administrator, Fire
Marshal, Building Inspector,
Community Development Committee,
anyone and everyone but the
individual who is legally charged and
responsible to enforce this code!
City does not deny it, therefore it must
be true. It is time to replace the zoning
officer with one who will do the job.
Or is this a case where her supervisors
ill not allow her to do her job? This
s a case of an apartment complex
being forced into a single family
neighborhood with nothing being done
to mitigate its impact until something
is done it will continue being a
roblem.
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